SUBJECTS: Immigration, Counter terrorism, Multicultural and security grants, Bondi Royal Commission, Tax on trusts, Fuel
SUBJECTS: Immigration, Counter terrorism, Multicultural and security grants, Bondi
SUBJECTS:
Royal Commission, Tax on trusts, Fuel
ANDREW CLENNELL: Joining me live now is the Home Affairs and Immigration Minister, Tony Burke. Thanks so much for joining me, Tony Burke. And you join me following the opposition attempting to one up you this week with their net migration policy, saying they can achieve a net migration target of 100,000 in their first two years in office. What do you make of that promise?
ANDREW CLENNELL:
MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS TONY BURKE: Well, you might be able to achieve those numbers, but in terms of something that works for the Australian people, it would be a disaster. But you look at what they've actually done and effectively they've declared war on the skilled migrants who Australians need. Australia absolutely has shortages in aged care, in health, with doctors, with nurses, in construction, and effectively, the way they've designed it, those skilled workers are exactly the people who we would now not get. What they've done - just to give you the specifics - is said, okay, you get the best possible person - which would be someone who's actually trained in Australia, so they're trained to exactly our standards say in nursing. And instead of having a graduate visa where they can then find a job in Australia and start working straight away, Angus Taylor says, ‘oh no, they'll have to go back offshore’. Do we really think we'll get them back? The actions that they're taking mean that you'll get fewer aged care workers, you'll get fewer nurses, fewer doctors, fewer construction workers. How on earth that's meant to help Australia, I don't know. The total numbers do need to come down and we've been bringing them down. They're already 45 per cent below the peak. They're continuing to come down. But if you don't do this in a sensible, managed way, if you just take the sledgehammer to skilled migration, the people who suffer are every Australian who needs services and in particular people who need homes built.
MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS TONY BURKE:
CLENNELL: Are you hopeful the opposition will be prepared now to pass some of the legislation you want, like around an expression of interest system for those seekingstudent visas and in an attempt to get rid of asylum seekers quicker. Will you talk to them about this this week?
CLENNELL:
BURKE: Look, the door has remained open. They're the ones who told us it was off. But the door remains open. The reality is the more levers you've got, the more effectively you can target so that you're doing everything in the best possible way for the Australian economy. The two examples you gave, you just look at it logically. An expression of interest framework means that you no longer have the entire system basically being demand driven and you get a whole lot of extra controls for government that allows you to target for the economy. The other one you referred to, I don't for the life of me see how it's reasonable that someone- You know, we've got an asylum system for someone where you genuinely are here in Australia and to go home would be incredibly dangerous for you. That's exactly what we did, for example, with the Iranian women's football team, where we made an offer of that nature. That's what you've got a system there for. But why on earth someone who's been visa hopping from the UK can at the end find out they've got no valid visa, then put in a protection claim and get to stay here going through the appeals system for another nine years, I just think it's ridiculous and we can't fix that without legislation. It's not massive, overwhelming numbers, but it's just wrong and it's something that we should legislate to be able to fix. But I've had no indication from the opposition that they're back at the table.
BURKE:
CLENNELL: I want to play you something now. Your predecessor in the portfolio, Claire O'Neil, said about the immigration system in 2024. She made similar comments in 2023.
CLENNELL:
CLAIRE O'NEIL: We have come to office with the migration system in a categorica mess. Don't take it from me. Take it with the numerous eminent Australians who have looked at this system and said that because of 10 years of wilful neglect, we have a migration system which Dr. Martin Parkinson said was fundamentally broken. Now we are attempting to pursue the national interest, to protect the community and to give our government legislative powers that we need to help manage this system.
CLAIRE O'NEIL:
CLENNELL: It's a mess, she says. Why haven't you fixed it, then? You've been in power four years, Tony Burke. Why hasn't your government fixed it?
CLENNELL:
BURKE: There's a series of issues we've had to deal with, as you'd know. Last term we had the High Court decision where we suddenly had a whole series of people who'd been in detention with criminal offences who we weren't able to deport back to their host country and the High Court insists they had to be out in the community. When I came into the job, I put absolutely everything into making sure we had a way of dealing with that. We ended up with a new arrangement with Nauru, or now they call themselves Naoero. It's a tough arrangement, but I took the view that absolutely everything when I first came into the job should be about community safety and I don't resile from that. One of the things that Clare O' Neill refers to in that, though, goes to changes that happened in 2015 under the previous government, where basically their compliance division was gutted. What that meant was people would get right to the end, would be told they're not allowed to stay in Australia and some people just wouldn't go. We were no longer bringing people in and cycling them through the detention system to get them to voluntarily depart. We've started that again now, that's part of the announcement. Once again, the simplicity of immigration is meant to be you're deciding who arrives, who stays and who leaves. There are a series of decisions that were made under the previous government which have been complex because we had to deal with everything at once. It's like a colander, if you only plug a few of the holes, all the water still runs through. So, you had to work through to have something completely comprehensive. We're still shy of that because of what you mentioned with the legislation, but we're pretty close and effectively, it means we're now able to manage the system much more effectively than what was handed to us.
BURKE:
CLENNELL: What was Claire O' Neil doing?
CLENNELL:
BURKE: Well, the issues that I've referred to were issues that started back then. We had a series of decisions from the High Court which created a genuine issue of community safety, and we had to act on that. There's a whole lot that comes to the integrity of the immigration system, but you put commun
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